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		<title>By: Clay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 03:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will leave you with a quote from NOTW or is it wise mans fearr I can&#039;t remember.&quot;Modern philosophers scorn teccam but they are lie vultures picking at the bones of a giant&quot; That is what you guys are doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will leave you with a quote from NOTW or is it wise mans fearr I can&#8217;t remember.&#8221;Modern philosophers scorn teccam but they are lie vultures picking at the bones of a giant&#8221; That is what you guys are doing.</p>
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		<title>By: miw</title>
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		<dc:creator>miw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;She went willingly to bone the king to save he carpet munching friend. If she let her friend die she could have said no but she didn’t.&quot; -Anonymous — 16 March 2011 @ 7:02 am —

That&#039;s called Glokta taking a hostage.  Terez&#039;s lifelong lover is bundled away by Practicals, and will be raped and tortured if Terez does not submit sexually to Jezal and PRETEND to be willing.  If Glokta held the gun to Terez&#039;s own head and she spread her legs for Jezal without physically fighting, is it still &quot;willingly&quot;?

This is not a one time thing, but ongoing for years on end.

She is not supposed to tell Jezal, or anybody that she is being raped.  Or that she is not heterosexual.  

In the end there are a couple of rape jokes.  Like when Jezal thinks Terez is shy and nervous when she croaks out the lines Glokta told her to say when she&#039;s actually probably miserable and terrified for the safety of her lifelong partner.  Haha he&#039;s so dim he doesn&#039;t even know Glokta&#039;s making her get raped by her.  Haha.  Then Jezal tells Glokta about how Terez was crying by the window all night afterwards and about how it&#039;s probably because she is homesick and if he redoes the garden to look like Talins she will cheer up.  The joke is that it isn&#039;t because she&#039;s homesick that she&#039;s crying, it&#039;s because all the choice she has is whether Glokta rapes her using Jezal as an unwitting dildo or rapes her lesbian bitch of a lover.   Haha.

Did we really need to see Glokta rape to remind us he is not that nice of a person?  Do we still get to enjoy his relatively happy ending after that?

Terez is rude, stuck-up, closed-minded, unreasonable, chronically dim and unkind.  Much like Jezal was at the start of the Blade Itself.  (Taking into account what we know about Ladisla, some of Terez&#039;s behaviour can be explained, like when Jezal rubbed his boner on her arse, expecting her to service him because that&#039;s what women are for, and she freaked out and physically assaulted him viciously, but it can&#039;t justify how unreasonable and dim she shows herself to be after it&#039;s become clear that Jezal isn&#039;t actually going to rape her of his own volition) But while Jezal&#039;s eventual tragic fate of being silenced, powerless despite a position of apparent prestige, trapped and forced to act against his principles (&quot;But Bayaz, an NHS is a nice thing!&quot;  &quot;Fuck you Jezal, socialism is for goodies and I am a villain!  No hospitals for you!&quot;) is treated as properly sad- It&#039;s not, for example, a just comeuppance because he was a bit vain and snooty at the start- Terez&#039;s fate, on the other hand, is treated like a joke.

That&#039;s the difference.  West is a tragic flawed character.  Jezal is a tragic flawed character.  Terez is a frankly offensive caricature of a shrill manhating lesbian who is institutionally raped into necessary functional heterosexuality.

It really makes Abercrombie hard to read.  He does improve in his portrayal of female characters in Best Served Cold, and even with The Heroes though.  I get the impression from his blog that he was writing quite naively in The First Law and now he knows a bit better and I&#039;m glad that he&#039;s a bit more self aware about it now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;She went willingly to bone the king to save he carpet munching friend. If she let her friend die she could have said no but she didn’t.&#8221; -Anonymous — 16 March 2011 @ 7:02 am —</p>
<p>That&#8217;s called Glokta taking a hostage.  Terez&#8217;s lifelong lover is bundled away by Practicals, and will be raped and tortured if Terez does not submit sexually to Jezal and PRETEND to be willing.  If Glokta held the gun to Terez&#8217;s own head and she spread her legs for Jezal without physically fighting, is it still &#8220;willingly&#8221;?</p>
<p>This is not a one time thing, but ongoing for years on end.</p>
<p>She is not supposed to tell Jezal, or anybody that she is being raped.  Or that she is not heterosexual.  </p>
<p>In the end there are a couple of rape jokes.  Like when Jezal thinks Terez is shy and nervous when she croaks out the lines Glokta told her to say when she&#8217;s actually probably miserable and terrified for the safety of her lifelong partner.  Haha he&#8217;s so dim he doesn&#8217;t even know Glokta&#8217;s making her get raped by her.  Haha.  Then Jezal tells Glokta about how Terez was crying by the window all night afterwards and about how it&#8217;s probably because she is homesick and if he redoes the garden to look like Talins she will cheer up.  The joke is that it isn&#8217;t because she&#8217;s homesick that she&#8217;s crying, it&#8217;s because all the choice she has is whether Glokta rapes her using Jezal as an unwitting dildo or rapes her lesbian bitch of a lover.   Haha.</p>
<p>Did we really need to see Glokta rape to remind us he is not that nice of a person?  Do we still get to enjoy his relatively happy ending after that?</p>
<p>Terez is rude, stuck-up, closed-minded, unreasonable, chronically dim and unkind.  Much like Jezal was at the start of the Blade Itself.  (Taking into account what we know about Ladisla, some of Terez&#8217;s behaviour can be explained, like when Jezal rubbed his boner on her arse, expecting her to service him because that&#8217;s what women are for, and she freaked out and physically assaulted him viciously, but it can&#8217;t justify how unreasonable and dim she shows herself to be after it&#8217;s become clear that Jezal isn&#8217;t actually going to rape her of his own volition) But while Jezal&#8217;s eventual tragic fate of being silenced, powerless despite a position of apparent prestige, trapped and forced to act against his principles (&#8220;But Bayaz, an NHS is a nice thing!&#8221;  &#8220;Fuck you Jezal, socialism is for goodies and I am a villain!  No hospitals for you!&#8221;) is treated as properly sad- It&#8217;s not, for example, a just comeuppance because he was a bit vain and snooty at the start- Terez&#8217;s fate, on the other hand, is treated like a joke.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the difference.  West is a tragic flawed character.  Jezal is a tragic flawed character.  Terez is a frankly offensive caricature of a shrill manhating lesbian who is institutionally raped into necessary functional heterosexuality.</p>
<p>It really makes Abercrombie hard to read.  He does improve in his portrayal of female characters in Best Served Cold, and even with The Heroes though.  I get the impression from his blog that he was writing quite naively in The First Law and now he knows a bit better and I&#8217;m glad that he&#8217;s a bit more self aware about it now.</p>
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		<title>By: King Rat</title>
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		<dc:creator>King Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 23:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You put rape inside scare quotes to indicate you don&#039;t believe that coercing a wife to have sex with her husband is rape. When you do that, I stop listening to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You put rape inside scare quotes to indicate you don&#8217;t believe that coercing a wife to have sex with her husband is rape. When you do that, I stop listening to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Crab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seriously. teeth pulling, evisceration, digit/nipple removal, beating, branding and not to mention all the other things we can assume happened that abercrombie decided not to write about are perfectly okay. But forcing someone to have sex with her husband is off limits.

Obviously you were reading a different book that I was if &quot;rape&quot; crosses a line.

Glotka lost any morality he ever had back in prison, this just illustrates his ruthlessness again to get his mission accomplished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seriously. teeth pulling, evisceration, digit/nipple removal, beating, branding and not to mention all the other things we can assume happened that abercrombie decided not to write about are perfectly okay. But forcing someone to have sex with her husband is off limits.</p>
<p>Obviously you were reading a different book that I was if &#8220;rape&#8221; crosses a line.</p>
<p>Glotka lost any morality he ever had back in prison, this just illustrates his ruthlessness again to get his mission accomplished.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She went willingly to bone the king to save he carpet munching friend. If she let her friend die she could have said no but she didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She went willingly to bone the king to save he carpet munching friend. If she let her friend die she could have said no but she didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: grrrml</title>
		<link>http://reading.kingrat.biz/reviews/last-argument-kings-joe-abercrombie#comment-2777</link>
		<dc:creator>grrrml</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the spoilering, absolutely what i was looking for.
no way i was gonna read another whole book of the series, but i was still interested in what happened in book 3. :)
the second book almost drove me insane, little storyline (more inconsequential battles etc) and in the end they didn&#039;t even have the seed...ugh!
all that wandering, fighting.. f*cking... for nothing!
oh well, i&#039;m just more of a happy ending type. :)

so, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the spoilering, absolutely what i was looking for.<br />
no way i was gonna read another whole book of the series, but i was still interested in what happened in book 3. :)<br />
the second book almost drove me insane, little storyline (more inconsequential battles etc) and in the end they didn&#8217;t even have the seed&#8230;ugh!<br />
all that wandering, fighting.. f*cking&#8230; for nothing!<br />
oh well, i&#8217;m just more of a happy ending type. :)</p>
<p>so, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Eruduril</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eruduril</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glokta had a man he knew to be innocent to be tortured, hanged, and his entrails opened while he was still alive. This man happened to be black. Yet I don&#039;t see you calling Abercrombie a racist.

Glokta is an evil person. He does bad things. That&#039;s how the character is, from the first page of the book. In fact, I think we should agree that from all the victims that went through Glokta&#039;s hands, Terez was the one that had the best outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glokta had a man he knew to be innocent to be tortured, hanged, and his entrails opened while he was still alive. This man happened to be black. Yet I don&#8217;t see you calling Abercrombie a racist.</p>
<p>Glokta is an evil person. He does bad things. That&#8217;s how the character is, from the first page of the book. In fact, I think we should agree that from all the victims that went through Glokta&#8217;s hands, Terez was the one that had the best outcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Mermaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mermaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read English medieval history and real accounts of rape and torture.  Hell, read what American soldiers have been doing in Iraq.  Now read fiction.  By your definition what do you do when a female character seduces a male?  You are a very silly person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read English medieval history and real accounts of rape and torture.  Hell, read what American soldiers have been doing in Iraq.  Now read fiction.  By your definition what do you do when a female character seduces a male?  You are a very silly person.</p>
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		<title>By: King Rat</title>
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		<dc:creator>King Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 22:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DTFR - you are working off the wrong definition of rape. The rape I refer to is not the threatened rape of the lesbian lover, but instead the rape of the queen herself. Any time a woman is coerced into sex, a rape has occurred. Glokta threatens the queen to force her to have sex with the king. That is rape.

As for laziness, guilty as charged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DTFR &#8211; you are working off the wrong definition of rape. The rape I refer to is not the threatened rape of the lesbian lover, but instead the rape of the queen herself. Any time a woman is coerced into sex, a rape has occurred. Glokta threatens the queen to force her to have sex with the king. That is rape.</p>
<p>As for laziness, guilty as charged.</p>
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		<title>By: DFTR</title>
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		<dc:creator>DFTR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 22:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect the reviewer was blinded by his prejudices and did not really read or understand the text.

1) He clearly did not know or bother to look up the name of the antagonist from the South.  This just suggests sloppy reading or laziness.

2) He seemed clearly disturbed by a &quot;rape&quot; scene, which never occurred.  Glotka threatened to have the Queen&#039;s lesbian lover raped, but this actually never occurred.

Glotka did a lot of other terrible things (threatened children, tortured friends, sent innocent men to their death, etc.)  He&#039;s a torturer.  That&#039;s what he does.

3) I applaud the &quot;gritty&quot; writing of the book.  It would have been politically correct to introduce 2-3 Xena type waifs for gender balance, but less interesting.

4) The reviewer seems to feel that female characters were specifically designed with imperfections.  A closer reading would reveal that all the male characters have some sort of imperfection as well.  There are no Tom Hanks genteel professors in this world, nor Harry Potters to eat biscuits and whine about Ginny.  

5) I would whole heartily recommend this book to any female reader who is interested in reading gritty fantasy fiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect the reviewer was blinded by his prejudices and did not really read or understand the text.</p>
<p>1) He clearly did not know or bother to look up the name of the antagonist from the South.  This just suggests sloppy reading or laziness.</p>
<p>2) He seemed clearly disturbed by a &#8220;rape&#8221; scene, which never occurred.  Glotka threatened to have the Queen&#8217;s lesbian lover raped, but this actually never occurred.</p>
<p>Glotka did a lot of other terrible things (threatened children, tortured friends, sent innocent men to their death, etc.)  He&#8217;s a torturer.  That&#8217;s what he does.</p>
<p>3) I applaud the &#8220;gritty&#8221; writing of the book.  It would have been politically correct to introduce 2-3 Xena type waifs for gender balance, but less interesting.</p>
<p>4) The reviewer seems to feel that female characters were specifically designed with imperfections.  A closer reading would reveal that all the male characters have some sort of imperfection as well.  There are no Tom Hanks genteel professors in this world, nor Harry Potters to eat biscuits and whine about Ginny.  </p>
<p>5) I would whole heartily recommend this book to any female reader who is interested in reading gritty fantasy fiction.</p>
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